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If Damian had normal friends and his family still thought he hadn't made any friends after Jon then this would be funny
Dick: Little bird what are you going to do during this summer, because this time it seems like no one can be with you
Damian: You don't need to worry, Grayson. I already have an appointment with my friends to paint on the str- Our club
Dick: I know you want to be with Jon baby bird but he still seems busy being Superman
Damian: I don't mean Kent grayson, I mean my school friend
Dick: You finally have a friend. Dami, you're not making an excuse to sneak out and almost die again, right?
Damian: No. I've been with them since the beginning of high school
Dick: okay ok whatever you said. Just don't look for Jon he's on a space mission
Damian: tt
Jason: You better not do anything strange when we are not watching you
Damian: Why are you all the same, thinking that I will do something. All I want to do is play with my friends
Jason: Until the end of the day you won't be able to make me believe you have friends other than your imaginary friend demon spawn
Damian: Whatever you think Todd
Duke: I have a suggestion for what you can do on your Summer this time, just because we're gone you-
Damian: You too . Why is everyone like this
Duke:
Damian: Thomas would you believe me if I said I had school friends
Duke: Not really it sounds a bit strange
Damian: I'm done. You'll know I have friends before Todd wants to propose Harper
Cass and Steph: So did you say you have friends
Damian: yes
Steph: Then prove it kid
Damian: *Lost his phone because it fell in a paint bucket. Wait some time
Cass: I think it's okay if baby brother has an imaginary friend, let him move on by himself
Damian: tt I hate you all
Bruce: Son, you're not planning anything, are you? Cause you've been acting strange lately
Damian: *Plan to paint a giant Graffiti that says " fuck the batfam " and go party night and try cigarettes
Damian: no
Alfred: When do you want to bring your friends to manor master Damian
Damian: When my giant Graffiti is finished pennyworth
Alfred: I will allow it but make sure you don't get hurt, sir
Damian: of course
#Timmy didn't ask because he didn't care lmao#batfamily#batfamily incorrect quotes#incorrect quotes#damian Wayne#oc#dick grayson#jason todd#Cassandra cain#Stephanie brown#Duke Thomas#bruce wayne#alfred pennyworth#jayroy#jonathan kent#batfam incorrect quotes#incorrecy qoutes batfam
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I say this a lot, but I really love the Learnatorium crew... Every time one of them is onscreen, they just get me in a slam dunk.
Gary and Betty are such wildfire fellas. I like how their singing pops balloons... it's just a little hint of them not being as sugar sweet as they seem on the surface. They are LAUGHABLY BAD with kids, but not even for the reason Timmy dislikes them.
Timmy thinks they're annoying and boring, but I'm more concerned with the fact that they throw babies, harass children, lock kids in cramped cages, and cause property damage without hesitation. And they have, like... NO fear.
Flappy's #1 fans...
Just ?? the entire concept of the Learnatorium being a place crammed with fun stuff and sweet treats, but Gary and Betty hover over you and prevent you from playing with or eating any of it is hilarious... why are they even here...
The scene of Flappy chasing after Gary yelling about how he needs to back off with his hugs because Betty "doesn't like him like that" cracks me up every time. They are Workplace Relationship BFFs... Gary has no sense of personal space.
And they clocked Timmy as a godkid SO HARD... They go STRAIGHT for him when they get back from Florida, even though he's a literal baby, and punish him specifically.
They keep an adult prisoner in their yard (Pops) and chase him down when he escapes and haul him back... that's messed up, man...
They were literally down to keep Timmy there forever when he said his babysitter was "never coming back..." Their response was to glance at each other and then yell "YAY! We're going to be friends forever!" Like ?? They lure in children and they have a bunch of traps lying around that are activated when they clap their hands?
Tell me you're in bed with the enemy (child-snatching fey) without telling me you're in bed with the enemy
They only had three episodes, and they did NOT waste them.
What does it say about Flappy that after HE switched to the good side, he didn't even ask Gary and Betty if they wanted to join him...
Maybe he just knows Gary's too busy bein' a NARC!!!
Does Flappy know?? Does Flappy know. I think about it constantly, but I really want to know how Flappy reacted to finding out Gary and Betty [are implied to] have known about magic before he did and were keeping it from him. But I don't think he found out...
You just know they fight about the spelling of Learnatorium since it's spelled differently when Gary and Betty take over... lmao
And ?? besides Flappy, the only other person we know works in this building is Pete the Polar Bear? There's a very real possibility Doug Dimmadome used his flamethrower on their stuff one time?
Gary and Betty went to space and tried to make friends with Mark Chang and that's not even a joke; that's actually what they tried to do?? Cut scene from the OG "Totally Spaced Out" script where Gary and Betty tried to run away to Mexico despite having kids under their care at the time? As a team, this crew canonically ruled the entire planet? Unparalleled.
I just looked and Gary and Betty are listed on the FOP Wiki as villains, whereas Flappy isn't even under the Villains Turned Allies section. I mean, I always think of them as neutral, but...
Yeah, that's fair.
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I noticed something in a lot of your Dick and Tim fics. It's probably so obvious, but you always write that Tim is watching Dick. In your newest one, Tim's watching Dick, in The Return Tim's watching Dick, and you even write that Tim is always watching him. Is Tim trying to read Dick? Trying to understand? Or does he understand him by watching? What is he trying to figure out by watching Dick? What does that say about Tim? I really hope this is intentional lmao because I would be embarrassed. Maybe this is just something so obvious that I'm just getting now.
YES IT’S ON PURPOSE <333 Anon. Anon. I'm so sorry this answer took forever, but listen, this was a really delightful ask <333 I think about this a lot. I really love origin stories—I like stories that resonate through a character’s history.
And for me, a whole lot of what interests me about Dick and Tim is that theme of watching and being watched. Seeing and being seen.
"Watch me on the trapeze, Tim. I'm going to do my act...'specially for you." | "Timmy, don't look." | "I turned away... I couldn't watch. Then I heard you crying and I turned back... I'm sorry, Dick. I didn't want to hurt you by telling you all this." Dick's watching me. Gauging my reactions. (Tim watching Dick watching Tim!) | "I'm taking off the blindfold." "No!" | "I can't see him. You can't see him. But I know Robin. And Robin's always there when you need him." | I love that kid. Too much to let him see me like this. (But Tim spots him anyway.)
Spotlights and lighthouses and cameras and photographs. Blindness and vision and masks and detective work and trust.
I'm going to try to be coherent about this but it's gonna be incoherent sdfsf BUT I'M GOING TO TRY so. Below the cut, a really long grab-bag of my rambling on vision and watchers and watching.
Tim + watching / Dick + being watched / different dynamics
Tim's origin story
Being watched goes with vulnerability/exposure
Incomplete list of moments with Dick and Tim and vision
Tim + watching
The first time we see Tim's face in LPoD: a close-up on his eyes looking for Dick, a close-up on his eyes at the moment that he sees Dick, a pullback to his face at the moment of recognition, a pullback to his face + his camera (you could maybe even argue that Tim comes into existence at the moment that he sees Dick, like, conceptually. the act of seeing is his defining characteristic. it is the thing that makes his character happen. he is the kid who's watching.)
Tim's a very vision-centric character: he's first introduced as a camera, then as a pair of binoculars, then as a pair of eyes. His whole backstory is about watching: watching Dick's parents die, watching Dick on TV, watching Batman and Robin. I've grabbed a few panels above with Tim watching Dick but there are so many more. His major deductions are all vision-based: he sees Dick-the-acrobat and later recognizes Dick-as-Robin; he sees Bruce-in-the-past and recognizes him as Bruce-of-our-time; the climactic moment in Red Robin is about going into a dark cave with a torch so he can see what's there.
And he's a detective. He pries into secrets. He analyzes people. He's a worrywart and a fusser who always wants to understand what's going on with other people. In a lot of those panels where Tim's watching Dick, his inner monologue is busy deducing Dick's emotions and trying to psychoanalyze him. Tim's caring and watchful and intuitive... but all those qualities also make him very very intrusive.
Dick + being watched
Dick performing acrobatics for Bruce, Donna, and Tim in Detective Comics 38 (his first appearance), New Teen Titans 16, Batman 441, and Nightwing 88 (where he reflects he's glad to be back in the hot glare of the spotlight)
Dick's a detective too, of course - Tim deliberately mirrors Dick, both in-universe and out-of-universe. But also Dick's a performer who loves being watched and also wants to control how he's seen. He gets a kick out of showing off, making puns, kicking ass, taking names, and he gets a kick out of having an appreciative audience. And he's got a kind of yearning for recognition - it hurts, when Bruce won't look at him, and in fights with Bruce, Babs, Roy, he'll often bring up the past, trying to get them to acknowledge a shared history.
At the same time, he's a very private person who withdraws and hides and pushes people away when he's upset. Right before Tim shows up, Dick's just ghosted the Titans because he's having emotional turmoil and doesn't want to have it in front of them, and they're trying to respect his wishes... but that solitude doesn't last long, because then Tim tracks him down. Tim will do this again when Dick's having an emotional crisis and trying to avoid everybody in Nightwing 110.
Possible dynamics
Tim watches Dick in Robin 11, while silently analyzing Dick's anxieties about Two-Face
"The watcher and the person being watched" is a dynamic that really interests me, partly because it can be so complicated?
You can see in Dick and Tim their very first roles: enthusiastic performer and the enthusiastic audience member. Dick likes to perform and show off and entertain; Tim likes to watch; those are roles they both easily slide into and they have a lot of fun together! But also you can look at the harsher side: the crime victim and the voyeur, the amateur photographer and the guy who hates being photographed. Dick's intensely private about his vulnerabilities; Tim's intrusive and watchful and constantly trying to figure out how other people tick. Sometimes Tim's the caring friend who watches Dick closely, reads him well, understands him; sometimes he's the nosy mini-detective who pries into Dick's secrets. And that's just two different ways of describing the same thing!
One of the things that kinda fascinates me about Dick and Tim's relationship is that in a lot of ways it's built on a bunch of low-key boundary violations. A lot of their early relationship is driven by Tim's desire to know more about Dick vs. Dick's reluctance to get close to anyone from Gotham; Tim's often out-of-line, but without his pushiness, it's hard to see how they would've developed a relationship at all. Later on, their friendlier relationship is marked by Dick teasing and low-key bullying Tim; it's pretty obvious that Tim isn't actually bothered by this, but it does involve Dick ignoring whatever Tim's claiming he doesn't like ("Quit it!" "Shh").
And one of the aspects of those boundary-violations is that Tim has a habit of witnessing things that Dick would prefer that nobody see. Tim's a witness to Dick's first and most miserable tragedy; he sees the aftermath of some of Dick's fights with Bruce; he's there when Donna dies. And he's sharp and observant and analytical, and I like to imagine this as being something Dick's not entirely comfortable with.
When Dick first meets Tim, it's before he's learned to wear a mask. And Tim spends a lot of time trying to see through Dick's masks, and he's pretty good at it, and a lot of that prying comes from love and care, because one of the ways that Tim shows love and respect and admiration is by trying to absorb absolutely everything about you, like a little sponge. But there's also something unsparing and even threatening about the search for the truth of someone else. It can be comforting or threatening, to know someone's watching you.
And I love how all that complexity is wrapped up in Tim's origin story? Both the giddy childish "Watch me on the trapeze" and then the awful grim reality of what Tim actually sees as a result and then the difficult connection when Dick and Alfred finally get Tim to explain how he knows their secret identities.
Tim's origin story
Tim (recounting his origin story in LPoD): My parents held me back as the thing moved to you. I cried out to warn you. (Two panels where we see just Tim's eyes, as he watches a crying Dick. He sees Batman approach and start trying to comfort Dick.)
I think fiction sometimes presents "being understood / seen / known" as an uncomplicatedly good thing, and there's nothing wrong with that! But I like complications, and I like the way Tim's origin story frames that moment of witnessing as difficult and fraught. Tim doesn't want to tell Dick how he knows their secret identities because he thinks it'll hurt Dick to know it: I don't want to hurt you, Dick, and I'm really afraid I might. And he's not wrong. It is painful; it does hurt; it's not something Dick's happy to know.
Dick's a very private person, and there's a painful intimacy to Tim's origin story - it's not Tim's fault he was there, but at the same time, it's not like Dick chose to have the most traumatic moment of his life on stage in front of an audience of strangers, you know? It's kind of a violation. In NTT/NT/Nightwing, Dick's pretty violently hostile to photographers, and he's intensely private about trauma in general, and I like to imagine this as partly a reaction to that foundational trauma of losing the most important people in his life and also doing it publicly.
And Tim's part of that audience. And he sees the worst part, the part that Dick can't talk about. He sees the bodies and the blood. He has nightmares about it for years. He hears Dick crying and sees him holding onto his parents' bodies. Not at all the kind of first impression Dick would want to make. Not at all the kind of person he wants to be seen as. And that understanding can be painful, because it's so close to the bone, and when Tim's just a stranger, it's upsetting, because Tim knows things that Dick would never have chosen for him to know. Their few conversations about it are awkward partly because Tim's thirteen and awkward... but at the same time, it's not Tim's fault so much as the situation! There's no way for Tim to talk about what he saw that wouldn't be uncomfortable for Dick.
... And yet, and yet. Tim's also one of the last people to see the Graysons alive. He sees Dick and his parents together; he even takes a picture with them. He remembers the whole thing so vividly he'll recognize Dick's somersault years later. He sees the grief. And so I think of that connection as kind of a metaphor for witnessing. Tim sees these things and they become real; Dick can't hide from them; in the act of being seen he's caught, he's in a spotlight, all the grief made real. You can't hide, that way. And Tim's got this unforgiving memory; he won't ever forget; he won't ever stop knowing.
But then, too: Dick's seen, he's known. Even at the very beginning, when Tim doesn't know enough to understand what he knows, he knows the important things.
So that shared memory is a barrier and a bond between them. It can be a source of discomfort or a source of comfort. And that's how I think about Tim watching Dick in general - it's complicated, and sometimes Dick's glad of it, and sometimes he resents it, and also it just is, it's a fact of Tim, that Tim watches. It's notable when he's not watching, when he's turned away.
Being watched goes with vulnerability/exposure
So I'm going to talk about the fraught feeling of being watched more in a little bit, but first: I think it's fascinating that Dick likes screwing around with games where Tim can't see!
Here's Nightwing 25 - Dick's come up with the idea of trainsurfing while blindfolded:
Tim: Are you sure this is such a good idea? Dick: Shh! Listen. Tune into the changing sounds and - Tim: I'm not so - Dick: JUMP!
Here's Robin 49 - clambering through a tunnel into No Man's Land:
Dick: Hard not to think about the river. All the water above us. And bugs. This tunnels' probably full of 'em. And rats. Big ones. Big blind rats with teeth as long as -
Here's Gotham Knights 9 - ambushing Tim in a sorta game of hide-and-seek:
Dick: Gotcha! Tim: Augh!
I feel like mmm I don't want to emphasize power dynamics too much because it's easy to overplay it BUT when I think about headcanons it's interesting to me to think about how maybe when Tim can't see, Dick's more in charge / in control, and so he feels more comfortable and less vulnerable, and that's often when he's most relaxed and playing around the most?
Whereas the moments when Tim's looking at him are often a bit more fraught, as here in Lonely Place of Dying:
Tim: I'm sorry, Dick. I really am. I didn't want to hurt you by telling you all this. Dick... Dick: It's all right, Tim. No matter how old you are, there are some things you never forget. Or get over. (Silent panel: Tim's watching Dick as Dick turns away and stares into the window.)
Or here in Nightwing 6, when Tim wakes him up from a nightmare:
Dick (internally, imagining a kid falling): He shouts to me. He always shouts to me. I never hear what he says. Tim: Nightwing! Wake up!
Or here in Gotham Knights 26, when Bruce is accused of murder:
(Silent panel where Tim's watching Dick.) Tim: I'm sorry. This must be hard for you. Dick: Me? Why? Tim: Well, I mean, it'd be one thing if we really knew he was innocent, but as it is - Dick: Wait, what? Stop right there. What are you saying, Tim?
Here's Tim spotting him before he can get away in Nightwing 110:
Dick (watching Tim from a distance, internally): Still, Timmy played it through nice and clean. Disarmed the perps, protected and avoided the cops. Kept any civilians from getting shot. God, I love that kid. Too much to let him see me like this. Tim: Hey! (appearing on the roof above him, fake-cheerful) You weren't gonna leave without saying hi, were you? Dick (looking away, very quietly): Hey, Timmy. Tim: Look at you, man! Back on both feet! Think you're done stopping bullets with your body for a while? Dick: Hope springs eternal. (Silent panel with Tim watching Dick, who's turned away.) Tim: You okay, Dick? Dick: I'm fine. Tim: Well, where're you staying these days? Dick: With some people.
Of course, sometimes Tim's watchfulness is frustrating but also a comfort, as in Detective Comics 874:
Tim (watching Dick, who's looking away): Are you listening to me, Batman? I'm saying the gas the Dealer used on you was powerful stuff. Dick: I'm fine, Red Robin. Besides...you're here now. Tim: You're not fine. And with or without me, you shouldn't be out on patrol ye - Dick: Sshhh. Here they come.
(Later in the comic, Dick mentally concedes that Tim's right that he hasn't really recovered from the gas, and Tim saves him from drowning when he's hallucinating. So Dick feels kind of exposed by the scrutiny, but also... he invited Tim along, so there's trust there, too - Tim's perceptiveness can be a good thing, too, when things are serious.)
Incomplete summary of moments with Dick and Tim and vision
I think I already mentioned a lot of these but here is my LIST
almost the first thing that Dick says to Tim is "watch me on the trapeze, Tim" and then Tim does and he basically never stops watching;
Tim watches Dick's parents die and watches Dick sobbing on-stage and watches him on TV and recognizes him by seeing a particular trick because he's dreamed about Dick doing the trick in his recurring nightmares about that night;
in New Titans 65 which is their very first team-up comic after Tim's origin, Dick's training pre-Robin Tim and gives him a test about watching for details and later Tim's takeaway is "I saw how [the Titans] listened to you";
there's a moment in Showcase '93 12 which is just Tim watching Dick and analyzing what's going on with him and there's another moment in Prodigal which is the same thing;
in Nightwing 6 Tim sneaks into Dick's apartment and hides in the dark and Dick spots him and tackles him; one of their most important bonding comics is Nightwing 25, where Dick insists on blindfolding him to get him to rely less on vision; when they sneak into No Man's Land they're in the dark and Tim can't see again and Dick's teasing him;
there are multiple moments when Tim can't see Dick for a bit and panics about his safety, in Nightwing 25, in No Man's Land, in Transference, in Bruce Wayne: Murderer;
Tim's there watching when Dick's wedding to Kory falls apart and he's there watching when Bruce and Dick fight and he's there watching when Donna dies and he's watching when Dick and Bruce swing together on the night before Infinite Crisis, and when Dick goes down and almost dies in Infinite Crisis we cut to Tim watching and seeing it happen and screaming;
there are multiple moments which are just silent panels of them staring at each other trying to figure out what's going on with each other or having a stand-off - in Bruce Wayne: Murderer, in Resurrection, in Red Robin;
in the aftermath of Donna's death there's a panel where Dick's watching Tim from a distance and not approaching;
in the aftermath of Blockbuster Dick spends half the comic just staring at Tim from a distance and hiding himself because "I love that kid - too much to let him see me like this," but Tim sees him anyway and chases him down and then they lie to each other and *ranting* LISTEN TO ME the whole comic is about Dick trying to AVOID being SEEN both literally but also METAPHORICALLY AND --!!!
(the only thing i'm even as halfway obsessive about for them is the heights thing because also there are a bunch of moments involving falling or Tim being anxious about heights and worried that he'll fall or Dick will fall)
In conclusion
Consider the progression in all these moments where Tim's watching an upset Dick and worrying about him!! From reaching out instinctively-but-pointlessly when he's too far away in the LPoD flashback, to almost reaching out in LPoD but hesitating, to putting a hand on Dick's back to walk him back to the Cave in Gotham Knights 10, to physically dragging him clear of the water in Batman: Black Mirror!
In conclusion I don't have a conclusion but basically YES, "watching Dick" is a core Tim characteristic as far as I'm concerned, and Tim watches Dick a lot and that can mean all kinds of things from admiration to nosy intrusiveness to worry to care to gratitude to trying-to-figure-out-what's-going-on-with-him, and sometimes Dick's resentful and sometimes he's relieved and sometimes he's playful and sometimes it's a mix of all those feelings.
And at first it's always Tim watching Dick, but later you've got Dick watching Tim too, and there's that moment where Dick's secretly watching him fight but Tim spots him in Nightwing 110 and there's a silent panel where Dick's watching him in Resurrection and at the very end of Robin there's a scene where Dick's secretly watching him fight but Tim spots him and in the very last issue of Red Robin Dick's watching the end of the confrontation with Boomerang and in Prodigal Dick's the one who notices his face is bruised and aaaaaaah
Anyway I think they're neat <3
#ask tag#hi anon this is SO old i'm so sorry sdfsfs#if you're still here hi!! <333#this was such a validating ask to get because as you can probably tell i think about the vision thing constantly#also this is SO long oh man. sorry i just started typing and it went on and on sdfdsf#dick grayson#tim drake#dick & tim#it's like. it's just endlessly fascinating to me because the paparazzi/photography stuff is one of dick's biggest triggers#and tim's introduced as a surreptitious amateur photographer#so there's no WAY they will ever get along#but then there's the Meaningful Photo from before the show#that low-key shows that tim's freaky obsessiveness comes from a place of genuine caring & this moment of real connection#so you have early days!dick kinda vibrating back and forth between 'I DON'T WANT HIM MAKE HIM GO AWAY'#vs. those moments when he IS getting attached to tim kinda against his will sdfsdf#and just. the dichotomy between paying attention as a form of love vs. being watched as a kind of violation and exposure#and that both are kinda the same thing?? and dick deeply craves the first and deeply hates the second#tim shows up being all I REMEMBER and what he remembers is exactly what dick was demanding bruce remember in b416#but /also/ he remembers /everything/ 'i remember it all' he remembers the graysons dying in incredibly painful detail#and like. kid!tim is very tactless & has only two switches of 'TELL HIM NOTHING' and 'if forced to speak then overshare'#but the tactlessness is a fixable problem and the remembering is /not/#it's not like it's any better for tim to keep his mouth shut & dick to just be painfully /aware/ that he's thinking abt the graysons dying#bc ofc /tim/ remembering forces /dick/ to remember#but!! but also. you know. maybe that remembering /isn't/ entirely a bad thing#and dick's feelings about it can change over time#anyway tim's not the only person that dick has this kind of conflict with - wally & roy sometimes chase him down when he's withdrawing too#and he often doesn't really appreciate it from them either#and dick's not the only person who gets subjected to tim's particular brand of intrusive caring#conner's not thrilled about the dna thing & ives would be within his rights to resent the stalking even though he doesn't#but i am obviously personally most fond of the ways this plays out with dick & tim
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Ima assume Timmy REALLY likes her cuz nt only his fans r clowning him bt multiple outlets 🥴 like damn ik his publicist r like wtf lmao i found it interesting that right after that British Vogue article (that i think got deleted?) that was going IN on kylie and another article saying they brokeup THEN made their debut. Just seems very calculated.
Im curious if kylothee expected the "tomdaya" treatment (where most ppl, fans or just locals) really love them or if they expected backlash from their relationship
Yea i mean (almost) 2 yrs really aint much tbh bt this is Kaias longest relationship so i guess thats good lol ive heard so many rumors about the JE/Kaia breakup bt i dnt think anybody cared enough about their relationship to really investigate 😭 JE taking all his gfs to the same place and JE allegedly beimg a cheater was prob the most publicity Jakaia relationship got besides their constant pap pics lol nobody was really checkin for them like that. Austin/Kaia r a pretty couple bt they def give "off" vibes. They make sure to always b photographed (on a after party carpet or irl)
Lol! 😆
Omg.....You brought up SO MUCH with this one ask Anon 😅 I'm gonna have to HIDE my response below so that it doesn't take up a whole scrolling page lol.
Re: Timmy/Kylie....
Yea, I mean, they might very well be a real couple that's just using each other for publicity. That DOES happen in Hollywood...a LOT actually lol.
But yea, that Vogue article that got deleted all of a sudden def seemed like a "management team" request lol 🤭 I just know Kris was HOT that day! 🤣
Im curious if kylothee expected the "tomdaya" treatment (where most ppl, fans or just locals) really love them or if they expected backlash from their relationship
Rofl!! 🤣
Omg..... now that you mention it lol.... What if that was their intent all along? 🤔 Cuz that would be hilarious asl if so lol.
"Oh yea, let's HIDE as a couple, like, BARELY see each other, and that way we keep people guessing see, and then, once we've had people guessing long enough, we'll stage an 'outing' or being 'caught' and we can get more publicity..... yea, that's it..." 😏
Look, NO celebrity couple is touching the cuteness of Tomdaya, sorry lol. And their hiding wasn't fabricated lol.
Re: Jakaia & Kaustin
Yea i mean (almost) 2 yrs really aint much tbh bt this is Kaias longest relationship so i guess thats good lol
Yea I'm shocked too cuz it is her longest lol. Plus, idk why, but I always got the impression she was into girls lol 👀 But hey, maybe she's bi. 🤷🏾♀️
ive heard so many rumors about the JE/Kaia breakup bt i dnt think anybody cared enough about their relationship to really investigate 😭
Wait... what rumors did you hear about the Jakaia breakup? 👀 Cuz I didn't hear much. All I heard was SHE dumped HIM lol. 🤭
JE taking all his gfs to the same place and JE allegedly beimg a cheater was prob the most publicity Jakaia relationship got besides their constant pap pics lol nobody was really checkin for them like that.
Rofl I remember that lol 😆 🤣
It's funny cuz I could def see I strongly suspected that JE was benefiting from being associated with her and her family, because while he was dating Kaia, he STAYED in W magazine rofl 🤣 (her family is affiliated with the magazine).
I kept wondering how he was always getting all this publicity (even during the awards season), when he didn't even have ANY filming projects that were being released that year lol, like what?? 🤣
Austin/Kaia r a pretty couple bt they def give "off" vibes. They make sure to always b photographed (on a after party carpet or irl)
Right?? Lol 😅
Like, they may be 100% genuine as anything, but some things recently just make me go: "hmm...." 🤔
The fact that paps knew exactly where to be outside of Karlie Kloss's house so that they could get those perfect shots of Kaia holding the baby in the backyard lol.
Birthday Cake Gate lol 🤭
The fact that paps sometimes know exactly where they're gonna be, even BEFORE they have reached their destination lol 😅
The fact that they seem to look super happy together on the red carpet, but whenever you see them papped out and about, they look = 😐
Maybe it's all just coincidence, but either way, I def feel like they're probably mutually benefitting from being with each other. Plus, the Gerbers are wealthy, so it doesn't hurt to make friends in wealthy places lol 😏
I've always heard that Kaia's family supposedly has some "deal" with the Daily FAIL, and even paps themselves will tell you that 9 times out of 10, a lot of these celebs are giving the paps a heads up notice on where they will be. 🤷🏾♀️
Hollywood is a game of smoke and mirrors lol 😆 So, I don't blame ppl if they play the game sometimes.
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which of your ocs would work best in a whumper-whumpee roleswap?
I generally like my whumpees fairly morally sound, so none of them would really be The Absolute Worse to the Former Tormentor.
THAT SAID XD
Cole is not above a revenge beatdown :)
Johnstone has tormented Cole for probably... a year...? Or more? (It has struck me that I never made a timeline for his events).
The whole deal with them, and it's very spoilery about the major twist of the splot of Shifting Phases (but I don't care I always feel the need to never shut up about my blorbos so I'll say it anyway lmao), is that Johnstone caught Cole, and instead of reporting his findings and awaiting the kill order, as he should've done with any belunae that wasn't an immediate threat to civilians and themselves, he decided to lie in the report that Cole was a weak, shitty belunae, and recieved the kill order, which he didn't follow through, instead keeping Cole essentially as a guard dog/tool kind of thing.
He uses Cole to bolster his minuscule house numbers, and for his dirty work, while being harsh with punishment, restraints, and is generally extremely controlling.
Cole is suffering, and it's very much Johnstone's fault, but Cole isn't in a position to fight back because he's in electrified restraints at all times, and his family is under threat :)
If he had the chance to get revenge on Johnstone, I think you'd have to convince him exceedingly well not to take it.
There are a few other characters of mine that definitely count as whumpees, and that's Timmy, Pete, and Kate. Timmy and Pete aren't really the type to actually hurt someone, (although they're both very capable of lashing out),
but Kate...
If she ever saw those shifters again, she'd kill them terribly, exacting the same amount of pain on them as they did to her.
She would take and crush every single thing they had. Too bad they're already dead, and it wouldn't've even helped :)
Instead, she most likely will take out that pent up frustration and pain on Pete :)) who absolutely doesn't deserve it :))))))
As for which combo I think is the best, I honestly think Kate is the best because it's complicated (I looooove complicated), and it exists within canon, even though there's no one directly responsible for her suffering to take it out on, but that won't stop her from blaming Pete too, and feeling betrayed by him, so from her perpective, he's kind of like an unwitting "whumper"; he makes her uneasy and nervous, dredges up all of her trauma, and acts as a kind of trigger (just by existing, mind you).
Very fun ask, ty ^-^
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okay, but like, imagine if they do fine out????
It happens when Tim can't get away fast enough when he feels the giggles start to turn into that same laughter that haunts his nightmares? Or when someone says something funny on a bad day that Tim didn't know was a bad day and he starts to giggle while he tries to shut up, but he physically can't???
Do you think they would think Tim got hit by something or that he found the joke to be a little too funny? Do you think someone would say, "Hey, Tim, that's enough. The joke wasn't that funny..?" and the only ones who would be able to do something would be Cass and Barbara.
But what if they're not there? What if they went off on some mission or something, and then the others have to figure this out by themselves?? And, obviously, they can't cause no one, not even Alfred(which is a bit of a shock in of itself), knows what tf is happening or how to fix it.
So, now they got a laughing Tim on their hands and now Jasons relapsing because, *omfg thats the same fucking laughter as the Joker who has been dead for years,* and Tim feeling so bad because he "didn't mean too, I'm so sorry, this hasn't happened in ages, fucking hell-"
And that last line makes everything freeze. Even Jason, who's mad as hell with his eyes glowing green or something, is taken aback by that because, "Tim. What do you mean by that???? Tim, Timmy, Timberly???? Wtf do you mean *this hasn't happened in ages????"
Can you imagine Bruce and Dick realizing, before everyone else, that *Tim, their sweet, smart, quick wited, lively, soda addict Tim,* was the same as that little kid that went missing a decade ago. A kid by the name of Junior, JJ, Joker Junior.
The kid that was so tiny and small and pitiful looking, the kid that had killed the Joker, the kid who had showed up a little bit after Tim went missing for that small period of time.
"...You were Junior?" Bruce or Dick would ask before Tim could even get a word in to explain why he had just had a laughing fit. And they would watch as Tim tensed and froze and the way his eyes either squeezed shut or widened like they were gonna pop out if he kept doing that.
Can you imagine the others looking back and forth between Bruce and Dick and Tim. Tim who was on the floor and looking like he would rather be anywhere but there at the moment and whose fingers are twitching like he was being strapped to a metal table to get electro "therapy" over and over and over- or twitching like he wants to scratch at his face and arms and rip off his skin and hair and tear apart his body till he stops hearing those god awful screams and sounds and laughter.
Can you imagine Tim having to explain or Cass and Barbara having to because Tim is starting to check out of Hotel Reality and into Hotel Tim's Head quick!
Can you imagine how the three of them would have to watch as their families faces turn from confusion and concern and fear to horror and disgust and heartbreak as they realize that Tim suffered at the hands of the Joker for weeks without anyone noticing while he was a child just trying to make Batman happy and stop him from killing himself or someone else?
Can you imagine how crushed they would be at that particular revaluation. Can you imagine how guilty Alfred, Bruce, Dick, and Jason would all feel? How Alfred, Bruce, and Dick would feel like horrible people for not noticing Batman's Robin at the time was missing? Can you imagine the quilt Jason would feel for the Tower incident(TM)?
CAN YOU IMAGINE HOW CRUSHED THEY WOULD BE WHEN THEY REALIZE TIM THOUGHT EVERY KNEW THEY JUST DIDN'T CARE??????
anyway i got carried away lmao sorry this was supposed to just be a tiny thing but i got inspiration and ideas like halfway through 😭 😭 😭 idk i got ideas but am also to tired rn to type them out but yk-
I'll probably write more when i actually get some sleep, but who knows :^D
Thinking a very normal amount about Tim being joker junior.
Thinking about Jason dying and Tim becoming robin out of necessity.
Thinking about Bruce not noticing Tim has been kidnapped because surely, surely his parents would file a report. Surely Tim must have been dragged into going on a trip with them and just didn’t mention it.
Thinking of Bruce not questioning things correctly because he is too busy grieving the previous robin.
Thinking of Bruce just thinking Joker Junior is a random kid.
Thinking of Barbra being the one to notice instead.
Thinking of Barbra consoling Tim after he kills the Joker.
Thinking of her taking Tim and letting him heal in the Drake estate.
Thinking of a file Bruce Wayne makes called Joker junior, one that Tim never looks at, that talks about a kid who killed the Joker and has been missing ever since.
Thinking of, months later, when robin returns to Bruce’s side, it just so happens to coincide with the return of Jack and Janet.
Thinking of Tim thinking Barbra must have told Bruce, but he just never came to see him. And that’s fine, because it isn’t as if they are family, Tim is just here to make sure Bats doesn’t go off the deep end again.
Thinking of Barbra not telling Bruce, because surely he already knows, he’s the world’s greatest detective. Plus she isn’t one to talk about other people’s trauma when they aren’t around.
Thinking of Tim hiding his laughter, because Batman would never let him keep patrolling if he knew he was still having fits.
Thinking of Dick not being there most of the time, and when he is, he mostly spends it arguing with Bruce.
Thinking of Tim knowing that Dick must know because he hears them fighting about the joker being dead once, although he did leave pretty soon after when he feels the laughter bubbling up in his throat.
Thinking of Jason coming back, attacking him at the titains tower, and telling him that he’s read all his files and knows everything about Tim. Obviously Tim takes this to mean he knows that Tim killed the joker as JJ. Because why wouldn’t that be in his file.
Thinking of Jason not having time to question when the little Robin who replaced him starts manically laughing once he sees him, because as soon as he hears the familiar laugh the green takes over completely.
Thinking of Tim finally feeling in control of himself, but then worst year ever happens. His parents are dead, Bruce is lost in the time stream, all his friends are dead, Robin is stolen from him, and everyone thinks he is crazy. He starts to relapse.
Thinking of Tim actually going a little bit crazy after that, trying to clone Bart and Kon, joining the league of assassins, doing all those crazy things he did during worst year ever.
Thinking of Cass learning after saving Tim from the daughter of Acheron. There isn’t much he can do but explain after she witnesses one of his fits.
Thinking about years later, when everyone has relationships more akin to Batman: Wayne family adventures, Tim still feels a little out of the group.
Thinking of everyone getting mad when he talks about the Joker, especially if it’s in front of Jason.
Thinking of Tim going silent or making himself scarce everytime the Joker is mentioned.
Thinking of a Tim who finds an excuse not to go out when Harley Quinn is.
Thinking of a Tim who hasn’t had an episode in years.
Thinking of a Tim who watches Jason get all this support for his trauma, while he doesn’t.
Thinking of him going to Barbra or Cass anytime he has a set back because they are the only ones who seem to care.
Thinking of a Wayne family who doesn’t know.
Thinking of a Tim who Knows they Know, but they just don’t care.
#dc comics#batman beyond return of the joker#batman: wayne family adventures#tim drake#joker junior#Batman#bruce wayne#barbra gordon#cassandra cain#dick grayson#damian wayne#harley quinn#dc joker#misunderstandings#batfam#the events probably aren’t in order#ignore that#i did my best#something has to give#Tim thinks they don’t care about him#very sad#they do they just don’t know#i love them so much#i need them to suffer#<- prev tags#i love them sm i need them to be even more traumatized.#:p#anyway amzing stuff op#love this :D#Arlo says nonsense
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prompt: au in which no one dies and Tim never becomes Robin + Tim hasn't visited the Wayne manor in a while. Jason decides to visit him instead and finds out Tim is home alone with a twisted ankle (that he totally didn't hurt while stalking Batman and Robin lmao what are you talking about)
Jason was benched.
It wasn’t his fault! Well, maybe it was his fault, he got a little reckless and got grazed by a bullet last night, but it was just a graze. He should be fine to patrol again tonight, but no.
He scowled, crossing his arms. His homework was finished, and he’d been bouncing off the walls all day. He needed to go somewhere, but Gotham at night? Either one of his family would find him, or he would find trouble, and he wasn’t sure which he preferred.
It would be so nice if he had company, but no, Duke had to be on the night shift this week. Maybe if Tim had stayed over...
Jason pursed his lips. When was the last time Tim was over? Time was a construct, but he knew it had been a while.
He scrambled to his feet.
He could visit Tim! That didn’t require endangering himself and/or embarrassing himself by running into his family.
Emboldened by his idea, Jason ran out the door.
A few minutes later, he rang the doorbell.
And three minutes later, no one was there.
He rang it again.
This time, the door creaked open, with one tiny Tim behind it. His eyes widened when he saw Jason, and he stepped back to let Jason in.
If Jason hadn’t been trained, he might not have noticed Tim’s wince, but even then, he would’ve seen Tim’s ankle. He gaped. It looked swollen and twisted, so before Tim could greet him, he said, “Holy shit, are you okay?”
Tim blinked. “I’m fine?”
Jason narrowed his eyes. “That shouldn’t be a question. Did you get medical attention for that?” Obviously, he didn’t, by the looks of it. But Jason thought he would ask.
Tim shrugged. “I’m fine. And you’re not usually available at night. Did something happen?”
“Uh...” Jason mentally ran through his excuses, and he was pretty sure his excuse for Tim was homework. “Finished everything early. Thought I would check in on my favorite neighbor. Let’s circle back, where the fuck are your parents? You’re injured.”
“Only a little!” Tim protested. “And my parents, they... they’re too busy to come back and deal with me.”
Honestly, fuck Tim’s parents. Jason had half a mind to march up to Bruce and demand he adopt Tim, if Bruce wasn’t planning on it already.
“You’re coming back with me.” It was a statement, one that hopefully left no room for question. “We can get you medical attention.”
“No, no, no, it’s nothing, really, I’m okay—”
“Bullshit,” Jason singsonged, hoisting Tim over his shoulder. Jesus, Tim was skinny. “We care about you, Timmy, you’re gonna get help.”
Tim still struggled in Jason’s arms, but his struggling weakened. “You don’t have to,” Tim mumbled.
“But I want to,” Jason chimed cheerfully, now all the way across Tim’s lawn. He wanted to say, Just because your parents don’t care doesn’t mean we don’t, but he knew it wouldn’t be taken well, so he kept his mouth shut. Still, once this boy got back to the Manor, he would be absolutely showered with love.
Like Tim deserved, even if he couldn’t recognize it.
#ask#luce tag#crys writes#not entirely satisfied but it's late so#jason todd#tim drake#luce i love this au so much i'm so sorry i'm not doing it justice
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